please go ahead. >> outrageous part about that is john mccain -- i think john mccain. >> what a jerk. >> first of all, he is a jerk. i think john mccain does this whole thing where he is like, wait. there is cameras. oh, camera 2 and he smiles in thecam and he says i am going to act like a crazy person now to get some attention. he knows we are going to talk about it. >> we are talking being war. sometimes it's not a "yes" or "no" answer. it's just the fact. i like the fact this secretary of nominee is not so clear-cut on the issues. he has seen what war does. he served in vietnam. i know john mccain did too. >> i am glad you brought that point up. the interesting thing about this whole situation, this whole scenarios, is that you are correct, and john mccain is good for doing the same thing that chuck hagel did. every time we have a conflict with a third-world nation, he is luke we need to arm the rebels. i think there is a montage and drop -- insert country. bomb the rebels. >> that's the only answer that he has. and history proves, i.e. afghanistan, arming rebels kills american tro